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Written by Andrew Naylor - 04 Jan 2004
last update by Stephen Mourton - 13 Oct 2013
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Location notes
Located on the West Coast Main Line on the 1 in 75 Shap incline, two and a half miles south of the summit. This whole stretch of line has been famous for railway photography since steam days, and is still popular.
Railway type and traffic
The majority of the passenger trains are Virgin Pendolinos or Voyagers, along with an hourly First TransPennine in each directions currently class 185's but changing to class 350's in March 2014.
There is plenty of freight both day and night including frequent one off movements of both freight and charters.
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RTT Link Scout Green
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Shap is hill farming country. There is no right to roam: visitors should keep to the public footpaths. The farmers have a sixth sense for strangers on their land, and will tackle trespassers. They particularly resent damage to property, especially walls and fences, and so-called ‘gardening’ by photographers seeking to clear viewpoints. Culprits can expect police action.

Weather - Shap has a notoriously high rainfall and is very exposed to the elements. Come prepared!
Road directions
There is a minor road signposted Scout Green off the B6261 Shap-Orton road. The B6261 can be joined from either M6 junction 38 (Tebay) or 39 (Shap); junction 39 is quicker to Scout Green.

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Scout Green map co-ordinates
Parking on the roadside at the location.
Public transport
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The nearest toilets are in Orton about a mile away, which also has an excellent general store and Post Office. Otherwise Tebay services can be accessed without going onto the motorway which has all the services you should need with an excellent large award winning farm shop. Wifi is also available.
The George Hotel in Orton is the nearest, but the Westmorland at Tebay services is also nearby.
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Sun Compass using Suncalc by brought to you by Vladimir Agafonkin:
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Scout Green

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Streetmap links
Scout Green general view map
Scout Green close up map

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Photographic notes
The line runs broadly North-South so light favours west facing shots in the morning and east facing shots in the afternoon. However, photography is tricky from west of the line. The land drops down to the Birk Beck, so cameras have to be pointed upwards and it can be hard to avoid lorries crawling up the northbound M6 immediately behind the line.

General views - All photographs © Andrew Naylor unless otherwise stated
Fig 1 - Looking south

Fig 1 - Looking south

This picture looks south from the minor road between Scout Green and the B6261 at the point where it runs between the WCML and the M6. This is where lineside parking is possible. In the top right corner, the minor road from Greenholme to Roundthwaite can be seen.

Fig 2 - Looking south - Image © Stephen Mourton

Fig 2 - Looking south - <i>Image © Stephen Mourton</i>

Fig 3 - Looking south - Image © Stephen Mourton

Fig 3 - Looking south - <i>Image © Stephen Mourton</i>

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